Session 5 - 9/2/13 - When first we practice to deceive?!?

Matt wrote:

Physicist wrote:

My month will be spent speeding around the place conducting the census in the regions to the east and north leaving the west unless I have enough time.

Ok so far your census has covered Blackwell Castle and the Southern Flatlands.

For all intensive purposes to complete a census on any one region takes you 15 days. During this time period you must dedicate all waking hours to the task or it takes longer.

That should give you a benchmark for allocating your time.

Ok! Thanks for the measuring stick Matt. I may lose a night's sleep here and there to make sure I am able to trade with Furl of the Dancing Silk.

So my plan stays the same pretty much. I will cover the above mentioned areas. Along with the basic census info (census forms made by Pridwyn^) I will place an extra mark next to the trades persons whom I feel would serve as a suitable* guild master of their respective trade.

* - Intelligent, insightful, leadership qualities, resourceful, meticulous, skillful, respected, motivated, controllable, etc.. (Does the player have to physically know and understand all the skills and abilities the 'role played' character knows?)
^ - Common language, easy to identify symbols representing trades and other criteria (about 3-5 yr old child readable), check boxes?

This will facilitate easy categorization of these individuals during form collation and data sorting. I.E. NOT PICK NAMES FROM A HAT!!!!!!!
Once these forms are returned to Pridwyn he may use the serfs to help sort and collate the forms and prepare short lists ready for my return.
NB. Remember these forms are created so a 3-5 yr old child can follow. Think how they collect and tally votes for your local counsel.

If any of that is not fairly simple and straight forward then we will need to speak in person.

Physicist wrote:

I expect my barracks to be mostly finalised pending payment thanks to Pridwyn managing it with my serf's contributing to the labor effort. I may even contact Erd about this when he returns from the southern flatlands

Can you be a bit more specific on what you want built, just so i know we are on the same page. I mean, do you just want a fence around the old serfs quarters or something more elaborate?

I didn't realise that I had made that sound anything but clear and simple > I WANT TO BUILD A BARRACKS WHERE THE SERFS QUARTERS ARE.
Pretty simple really. I had already asked Pridwyn to get me an estimate on what it will take and as he has been rather quiet I assumed he was diligently following my instruction.

Physicist wrote:

I will use the information I gain from the census and my conversations with the populace to sort out the possible guild leaders of the their respective trades. For trades see Medieval Trades.

What characteristics are you looking for in guild leaders, just the most skilled? This task will probably take you about 5 days (mainly due to the long list of trades) unless you wish to simply draw names from a hat. If you pick the later rout it would be less then a days work.

Please see my above comments at the bottom of PART ONE.

Physicist wrote:

Whilst visiting the eastern villages I will inquire as to the availability of resources (people, materials, etc) to begin two MAJOR construction projects;

1. Construction of stockades
   
   
2. Construction of locks

A few questions to make sure we are on the same page;

re; Stockade
Intended location:

Physicist wrote:

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• Obtain relevant information to plan and construct a stockade at Royalwell to help fortify and protect the investments in the area.
  
• Using the Royalwell stockade as a prototype initiate a plan to construct additional stockades at Ferryside, North Waterdam, Mudcrest and Carrwater.

Intended material (ie, primarily stone or timber): That would depend on the findings in the above sentence and roll from there.
How many men will the stockade house: 10-20 would be sufficient in MY mind but I'm not RP'ing my mind so

re; The lock
Intended location; The river leading from Royalwell and at strategic points in defend-able positions further along said river.
Intended purpose; To create a 'traffic and control system' on our water ways that would allow for mercantile usable of the river but will allow us to 'lock' the river to prohibit unsolicited traffic (ie, water based invasion, etc..)

Also your probably going to need to find a skilled engineer to design and oversee this project. While you have an understanding of engineering, something like this may end up being over your head. Unfortunately skilled architects and engineers are rarer then hens teeth in the Iron Region. The region has been running "bushiness as usual" for so long that the practitioners of these arts have left for greener pastures.

Well as it happens we do have a skilled engineer and tradesman appointed the title of Iron Duke (Erd Ymir). Failing that I may need to ask ol' daddy o' if he can send me someone but I would prefer not to have to run to daddy this early in the game.

I will start of with this one.

Physicist wrote:

Pick it apart. That's what you do. But please, I'm trying to make something out of nothing with no available resources. I ask for information first so I can make informed decisions to base my later plans and actions upon. All the while trying to avoid your 'fuck-you' hammer. Hopefully I'm starting to make myself clear, if not then sorry.

Your a little vague most of the time, so i ask the follow up questions just to make sure we are both thinking the same thing. That way you don't get shitty when it doesn't end how you pictured it. Regardless of resources and the rest of the blah blah, my follow up questions are more about obtaining enough info from you so i can properly supply the info you need with out having to write war and peace to cover every possibility.

Physicist wrote:

PART ONE

Matt wrote:

Physicist wrote:

My month will be spent speeding around the place conducting the census in the regions to the east and north leaving the west unless I have enough time.

Ok so far your census has covered Blackwell Castle and the Southern Flatlands.

For all intensive purposes to complete a census on any one region takes you 15 days. During this time period you must dedicate all waking hours to the task or it takes longer.

That should give you a benchmark for allocating your time.

Ok! Thanks for the measuring stick Matt. I may lose a night's sleep here and there to make sure I am able to trade with Furl of the Dancing Silk.

So my plan stays the same pretty much. I will cover the above mentioned areas. Along with the basic census info (census forms made by Pridwyn^) I will place an extra mark next to the trades persons whom I feel would serve as a suitable* guild master of their respective trade.

* - Intelligent, insightful, leadership qualities, resourceful, meticulous, skillful, respected, motivated, controllable, etc.. (Does the player have to physically know and understand all the skills and abilities the 'role played' character knows?)
^ - Common language, easy to identify symbols representing trades and other criteria (about 3-5 yr old child readable), check boxes?

This will facilitate easy categorization of these individuals during form collation and data sorting. I.E. NOT PICK NAMES FROM A HAT!!!!!!!
Once these forms are returned to Pridwyn he may use the serfs to help sort and collate the forms and prepare short lists ready for my return.
NB. Remember these forms are created so a 3-5 yr old child can follow. Think how they collect and tally votes for your local counsel.

If any of that is not fairly simple and straight forward then we will need to speak in person.

Don't get to snarky sweetheart, i asked the question for exactly this reason. You originally mentioned you were looking for the most skilled tradesmen to run each guild, i was just confirming the parameters before you ended up with something you weren't happy with.

Physicist wrote:

PART TWO

Physicist wrote:

I expect my barracks to be mostly finalised pending payment thanks to Pridwyn managing it with my serf's contributing to the labor effort. I may even contact Erd about this when he returns from the southern flatlands

Can you be a bit more specific on what you want built, just so i know we are on the same page. I mean, do you just want a fence around the old serfs quarters or something more elaborate?

I didn't realise that I had made that sound anything but clear and simple > I WANT TO BUILD A BARRACKS WHERE THE SERFS QUARTERS ARE.
Pretty simple really. I had already asked Pridwyn to get me an estimate on what it will take and as he has been rather quiet I assumed he was diligently following my instruction.

Do a Google image search for barracks JD, they come in all shapes and sizes, hell your link alone has half a dozen picture in it and if your wanting something of those sizes it will probably take a while. I am more interested to know how many people you wish it to house so i can figure out if its completed or not. I got the impression you originally wanted it to hold slaves as well so if it required any specific things to account for that.

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Physicist wrote:

I will use the information I gain from the census and my conversations with the populace to sort out the possible guild leaders of the their respective trades. For trades see Medieval Trades.

What characteristics are you looking for in guild leaders, just the most skilled? This task will probably take you about 5 days (mainly due to the long list of trades) unless you wish to simply draw names from a hat. If you pick the later rout it would be less then a days work.

Physicist wrote:

Please see my above comments at the bottom of PART ONE.

Physicist wrote:

PART THREE

Physicist wrote:

Whilst visiting the eastern villages I will inquire as to the availability of resources (people, materials, etc) to begin two MAJOR construction projects;

1. Construction of stockades
   
   
2. Construction of locks

A few questions to make sure we are on the same page;

re; Stockade
Intended location:

Physicist wrote:

.

• Obtain relevant information to plan and construct a stockade at Royalwell to help fortify and protect the investments in the area.
  
• Using the Royalwell stockade as a prototype initiate a plan to construct additional stockades at Ferryside, North Waterdam, Mudcrest and Carrwater.

Intended material (ie, primarily stone or timber): That would depend on the findings in the above sentence and roll from there.
How many men will the stockade house: 10-20 would be sufficient in MY mind but I'm not RP'ing my mind so

Timber and lumber are both going to need to be brought into build anything but both are in decent supply in the iron region. Timber will be cheaper and quicker, as timber is easier to move by river and carpanters are in larger number the stone masons around Royalwell. However stone will last longer and provide a better defensive structure.

Physicist wrote:

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re; The lock
Intended location; The river leading from Royalwell and at strategic points in defend-able positions further along said river.
Intended purpose; To create a 'traffic and control system' on our water ways that would allow for mercantile usable of the river but will allow us to 'lock' the river to prohibit unsolicited traffic (ie, water based invasion, etc..)

Also your probably going to need to find a skilled engineer to design and oversee this project. While you have an understanding of engineering, something like this may end up being over your head. Unfortunately skilled architects and engineers are rarer then hens teeth in the Iron Region. The region has been running "bushiness as usual" for so long that the practitioners of these arts have left for greener pastures.

Well as it happens we do have a skilled engineer and tradesman appointed the title of Iron Duke (Erd Ymir). Failing that I may need to ask ol' daddy o' if he can send me someone but I would prefer not to have to run to daddy this early in the game.

Erd is a more competent engineer then you yes, but something like this would be a difficult task for him and take the lions share of his time in both planing and execution. It would require his constant supervision to get something like this done. I mention this because Erd seems to be a man in great demand at the moment.

All so i ask because a lock might be slight overkill for your intended purpose. If all you want to do is gain the ability to block river boats from entering or leaving the mouth there are much simpler ways.

The mouth is a nice smooth entrance into the lake so you don't require a means of raising or lowering the water level around a boat to get it past difficult terrain. If you provide a simple blockage above, but close to the water level this will block all vessels from passing with exception to those that can travel under water or fly (not in any way common for river traders).

The most simplistic way would be a large chain across the span of the river that can be raised or lowered as required. When raised the ships would be unable to pass through the river with out damaging their boats. From their you can move on to all manner of gates and what have you, none of which really need to go under the water.

This makes the task a much more simple feat of engineering wise and will be far less disruptive to the river trade and agricultural land during the construction.